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On a scale of 1 to 10, how weird is it to be REALLY REALLY EXCITED about getting my hands on a copy of the new Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World?

Scratch that, don't tell me.

But anyway, the other book I'm reading now that I have my SHINY NEW UNC BORROWER'S CARD, OMG (okay, one of the other books I'm reading now...) is Albert Lord's The Singer of Tales, which is a book that first came out in 1960 and put the smackdown on those who at that point still insisted that the Homeric epics were actually written by some dude named Homer with a lot of time on his hands. Lord not only established the basic ground-rules for what oral literature is and how you can tell it when you see it, but he did a huge amount of primary reasearch (not common, as you can imagine, among Classicists) with poets of the living oral narrative tradition in Yugoslavia. It's a flatly awesome book, and very readable, should any of you have an abiding interest in oral literature and/or Homer.

This is from Lord's preface:

The singer of tales is at once the tradition and an individual creator. His manner of composition differs from that used by a writer in that the oral poet makes no conscious effort to break the traditional phrases and incidents; he is forced by the rapidity of composition in performance to use these traditional elements. To him they are not merely necessary, however; they are also right. He seeks no others, and yet he practices great freedom in his use of them because they are themselves flexible. His art consists not so much in learning through repetition the time-worn formulas as in the ability to compose and recompose the phrases for the idea of the moment on the pattern established by the basic formulas. He is not a conscious iconoclast, but a traditional creative artist. His traditional style also has individuality, and it is possible to distinguish the songs of one singer from those of another, even when we have only the bare text without music and vocal nuance.

You know where I'm going with this, right? This is my shameless, shameless subversion of the preceding:

The fanfic writer is at once the fandom and an individual creator. Her manner of composition differs from that used by a writer of fiction in that the fanfic writer makes no conscious effort to replace the received canon and fanon; she is forced by the constraints of the genre to use these comunally agreed-upon elements. To her they are not merely necessary, however; they are also right. She seeks no others, and yet she practices great freedom in her use of them because they are themselves flexible. Her art consists not so much in passively consuming and repeating time-worn dramatic conventions as in the ability to compose and recompose the conventions for the idea of the moment on the pattern established by the basic canon. She is not a conscious iconoclast, but a traditional creative artist. Her traditional style also has individuality, and it is possible to distinguish the fic of one fan from that of another, even when we have only bare text without cues that would be presented in the course of a performance.

It's not a flawless fit, primarily because our ranks do in fact include "conscious iconoclasts" who seek to replace inherited canon and fanon with individually invented elements on occasion; we are not as reverent toward our canon as an oral poet would be toward his ancestral tradition, or at least we needn't be. Even so, the act of writing fanfic at all is a choice to remain within certain proscribed boundaries and to submit oneself for judgement partially on the basis of what use we make of the formulas and incidents we receive, so fanfic could be construed as an art form that allows us to bend our raw materials any which way we can manage, but not to jettison them altogether, much like oral narrative.

Date: 2007-06-07 12:12 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] serialkarma.livejournal.com
On a scale of 1 to 10, how weird is it to be REALLY REALLY EXCITED about getting my hands on a copy of the new Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World?

No, that is TOTALLY COOL. (says the linguistics geek)

*wants*

Date: 2007-06-07 04:29 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] hth-the-first.livejournal.com
I love that I post this, and immediately have three people who are like, PIE, WOOT! I knew y'all were cool, but I didn't know you were *this* cool! (For, you know, my preferred values of "cool"....)

You Are The Smartest

Date: 2007-06-07 12:22 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] yesitsmimi.livejournal.com
I love how you just brilliantly explained fanfic as being a continuation of storytelling tradition, rather than some weird new aberration. I mean, we tune in for giggles and teh porn, but we stay for these ancient and powerful stories about friendship, love and loss that fanfic writers use Draco/Harry, Sheppard/McKay (or Ronon, in your amazing works) or Ray/Fraser to tell.

Hmmmm. Am examining last sentence. Can you tell I primarily read slash? ;)

Anyway, thanks for that lovely reinterpretation of Albert Lord. And thanks for continually enhancing the level of discussion on LJ.

Re: You Are The Smartest

Date: 2007-06-07 04:57 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] hth-the-first.livejournal.com
The first thing that fanfic reminded me of when I first became aware of fanfic was the medieval Arthurian tradition -- like, here's your giant cast of characters, now write a million ballads of them having all new cool adventures! So basically I've always felt like our style of composition was much older than people give it credit for, and it's cool to see Lord kind of breaking down where the similarities are in a more systematic way.

The other thing I think is interesting is that some of the mythic themes come from the source material, and some of them are myths that we superimpose on the source. I don't think all of those characters are half as interesting on the surface of them as they are once fandom gets done!

Date: 2007-06-07 12:31 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] frostfire-17.livejournal.com
Dude, if you're into Proto-Indo-European, and you don't already have it, you should totally get Benjamin Fortson's Indo-European Language and Culture. Complicated-yet-worth-it explanation of PIE phonology, morphology, and syntax, and then a detailing of how every language subgroup theoretically evolved. With bonus exercises at the end of each chapter. It WINS.

Date: 2007-06-07 04:58 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] hth-the-first.livejournal.com
omg, it has EXERCISES!?! Eeee! And a quick online check says that UNC has it! *goes on the list for next visit...*

Date: 2007-06-07 06:52 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] frostfire-17.livejournal.com
It's a really great book. I don't know if there's an answer key for the exercises or not, although I suspect not--I used it for a class, so I *have* the answers tucked away in assignment sheets somewhere, if you ever want to know. :) But yes, I highly recommend it.

Date: 2007-06-07 01:41 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] threnodyjones.livejournal.com
REALLY REALLY EXCITED about getting my hands on a copy

I could club you over the head and steal take it off your hands for you, if you're feeling too badly about having it.

Seriously, that sounds like a really cool book to be in possession of.

Date: 2007-06-07 04:59 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] hth-the-first.livejournal.com
Noooo! Do not take! It are my LIBRARY book! Must...protect...library books...

Date: 2007-06-07 02:33 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] elfiepike.livejournal.com
this whole post is rad. :D yay oral histories! yay geeky book love! etcetc.

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