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I fail at Chapter One; I am clearly the dumbest person alive, because I signed up to write 3 stories this month. It's like Christmas in August! By which I mean, that time of year when I usually sign up for way too many holiday fic exchanges? Yeah, it's like that. Anyway, that's part of why I didn't get around to all the things I was going to talk about here over the last few weeks, and I'm grumpy about that.

I'm also sort of grumpy that I'm going to have to see Knocked Up, because it's gotten to the point where it's enough of a Cultural Moment that I feel like I *have* to have some kind of opinion on it, and preferably not one based on reading ten million reviews and think-pieces. Although those are awfully interesting, if depressing. It's weird, though, because while some people complain about it as a romatic comedy that's sucked utterly dry of anything resembling romance, there's also this whole contingent who are basically saying, "But that's why it's like life! The whole world is Craigslist ads and bar hookups and there's no challenge and no mystery and then you figure, well hell, it's probably time I got married, and then you do, which is why Judd Apatow is a GENIUS!" And what really interests me is that I've seen a lot of commentators (who are obviously writers themselves, of one kind or another) essentially say, well, how is it even possible to write about "romance" in the current context, and should you even, or is it inherently false, and was it always false after all, really?

Which is all kind of odd for me, given how much of my life I spend amidst people who write romance for fun. And I think the fic I read now does have a lot more casual sex in it than what I was reading eight and ten years ago -- I think it's responsive to the Cultural Context in that way, where having sex is not really something you only do after you've decided to spend your lives together, or even something you only do with people you madly love, and that casual sex isn't really dirty or subversive or edgy anymore, but just one type of sex that most people have at one time of their lives or another. The characters don't by and large have any more retrograde expecations about sex and relationships than the readers and writers do (in fact, we often are much closer to the mainstream than our source material is on this point).

And yet, it doesn't seem like any of that is hampering fandom in the slightest bit when it comes to turning out High Classic Romance, so I'm kind of left baffled. Not that mainstream filmmakers should have to write High Classic Romance if they don't want to, but the idea that they *would* if such a thing were even *imaginable* right now, but alas! That's very weird to me. It's not freaking rocket science, you know? High Romance derives from the idea that this experience is different from all the others -- and in cultures where casual sex is more taboo, then part of what's "different" can be the amplification of the sexual tension, but if you're writing in a milieu where there's often not a lot of sexual tension, then something else about the relationship has to be the part that's "different this time." If a million fangirls can figure out what that might be, then surely to God there are professional screenwriters who can crack the code, too.

Free Hint to Baffled Screenwriters: Sexual tension is not the goal. Sexual tension is a tool that you have at your disposal -- and admittedly, a particularly versatile and reliable one. Sexual tension is the claw-hammer of writing romance. But if you feel like you cannot in good conscience find or invent a reason for these people not to have sex with each other (and I maintain that you're the *writer,* and you can proabably think one up if you really want to, but okay, let's say you can't), then use a different tool. The *goal* is to convince your audience that these two people will never, ever manage to be truly happy unless they're together (clarifying note: I'm talking about Classic High Romance, here, not every story ever). If "they really want to have sex, but they're not having sex!" is literally the ONLY thing you can think of to A) convince us of this and 2) complicate the plot long enough to draw it into a 90-minute movie, then no fair blaming your failure on the zeitgeist. You're the writer. Think of something.

Hey, man, I read in a fandom where one of my very favorite Classic High Romance stories has the hero say in the first reel, "Well, we might as well get it out of the way." Don't come to me with your sad story about how sex is too easy to come by for you to write romance. (Also, don't go to the Brian/Justin writers. They'll laugh much harder at you than I will.)

Date: 2007-08-25 07:33 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
You're the writer. Think of something.

I'm stealing this to use for every excuse someone comes up with. Usually, I just say, "And you call yourself a creative writer?" but that comes off too accusatory.

While not having seen Knocked Up, I can't comment; however, I do think you bring up an interesting point. I also see with the big Hollywood romances the ones where x has casual sex with y but wants it to be the big romance and then finds it at the end of the movie with z. I'm thinking of movies like Bridget Jones (even though she should've dumped them both in both movies) and Must Love Dogs.

Date: 2007-08-25 10:55 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
To add more words to the Knocked Up debate... It isn't the sort of movie that I would ever have gone to, but I ended up seeing it on a date. The date was odd, but the movie was hilarious. It's worth it for that even without viewing it as a romantic film.

What I found romantic about it is that the leading man starts out a completely immature shmuck (pot-smoking, living with his buddies, watching porn and pretending that's a job) but over the course of the film, he grows up. That may not be classical romance, but that's pretty frickin' romantic. I know a lot of guys who I wish would go through a similar transformation. It's like the requisite makeover scene for frumpy women, except in this case, the guy gets a job and that's so much hotter.

Date: 2007-08-27 04:24 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] deadlychameleon.livejournal.com
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I think it's an issue of conflict. All stories need conflict. If you don't get conflict from the idea that the romance is in some way forbidden or that the sex can't happen yet, you have to actually construct it into the plot, which takes more skill.

Date: 2007-08-27 07:03 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] lastscorpion.livejournal.com
I have no intention of going to see Knocked Up, but Sexual tension is the claw-hammer of writing romance. is a wonderful, wonderful line!

Completely off-topic

Date: 2007-08-27 07:45 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] darkrosetiger.livejournal.com
Hi,

I sent and email to you last week, asking for permission to do DVD commentary for one of your fics for this challenge (http://community.livejournal.com/dvd_commentary/30781.html). If I don't hear back from you, I'll assume that you're not granting permission, and I won't do the commentary, but I thought I'd check to make sure you got the first message.

Thanks,

Darkrose

Re: Completely off-topic

Date: 2007-08-27 03:08 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] hth-the-first.livejournal.com
Oh, sorry I missed that e-mail somehow! Certainly you have permission -- actually, I'm one of those people who feels like you shouldn't need permission to do any kind of commenting you like on anyone's work, but I understand that certain challenges or whatnot require you to get the official word. Thanks for thinking of me, and I'll be looking forward to reading it!

Re: Completely off-topic

Date: 2007-08-31 02:42 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] thinkingheart.livejournal.com
There's an organization called creative commons (http://creativecommons.org) which run a free 'licensing' system, so that you can explicitly label works for which you own the copyright* so that others know you're happy for them to re-use/create derivative works etc.

*obviously a bit tricky for fan-works.

Date: 2007-08-28 07:32 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] chicklet-girl.livejournal.com
I haven't seen Knocked Up yet, either, but wanted to offer a big WORD to the rest of your post. I look at the set-ups for current romantic comedies (haven't actually seen any, because they look so awful) and think Even if there's no physical impediment to True Love, like an inappropriate fiance or parental hissy-fit, you can create an intra-character conflict. Surely, one of these people might be reluctant to trust the other for a reason other than 'wacky misunderstanding.'

But then, screenwriters would have to make three-dimensional characters, and they certainly can't have that. They just leave it to the fanfic writers and romance-novel writers. *rolls eyes, goes off to reread "No Refunds or Exchanges" for the millionth time, then tackles her stack of Jennifer Crusie TBR*

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